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05 May 2008 @ 08:30 am
A random thought...  

It occurs to me that once a man has a vasectomy he can never (again) be guilty of onanism…

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maruad on May 5th, 2008 02:21 pm (UTC)
Hmmm... I dunno. Is a man playing with a gun if the bullets are removed and replaced with blanks? It still goes bang when he pulls the trigger.
Matthew B. Tepper: Joe Btfsplk unlucky cloud jinxasimovberlioz on May 5th, 2008 08:02 pm (UTC)
Do the name Jon-Erik Hexum ring a bell?
maruad on May 5th, 2008 11:37 pm (UTC)
It does although not in this context. It came up yesterday during a household discussion about why (or why not) 12 yr old boys should have uncontrolled access to soft-pellet pellet guns. Currently the no-access-at-all faction (led by the parents) is winning.
Fred A Levy Haskell: Fredcritter eyes onlyfredcritter on May 6th, 2008 12:49 am (UTC)
Yes. "Because I'm the mom" always trumps any other argument. (Even if "mom" is dad. Erm…)
A monstrous ramblingbibliofile on May 7th, 2008 06:59 am (UTC)
The Rule of Big often works . . at least for another year or two. (Rule of Big = I'm bigger, so I get to set the rules. Works okay for most pets and small children.)
maruad on May 8th, 2008 12:06 pm (UTC)
Tell me... one of my boys is 5'5" and 150 lbs already (big shoulders). Following family history he will be full grown in 2 years.
Fred A Levy Haskell: Fredcritter eyes onlyfredcritter on May 6th, 2008 12:52 am (UTC)
"…still goes bang…" eh? Well, hm, that does seem to be at least part of the point of the whole operation, doesn't it? Hmmm…
gomeza on May 5th, 2008 02:42 pm (UTC)
Is it the act that matters, or the missed potential?
Given when the law was made/written, and how little they knew about medicine... yeah.
I'm probably taking this off-hand, and somewhat amusing comment far too seriously/literally.
As usual.
Fred A Levy Haskell: Fredcritter eyes onlyfredcritter on May 6th, 2008 01:07 am (UTC)

Yup. No, you're not being too literal—my thought, after all, was purposely framed with the term "onanism" rather than "masturbation." And although the thought didn't bubble up as an actual, serious question, why the heck can't you treat it as if it were? Life's too short to worry about whether one is being all too serious or too totally frivolous. Be as best suits you at any given time, that's my motto.

As for an answer or rebuttal or somesuch to my thought … well … as the lovely and talented runeshower points out below, it depends on whether it's the spilling or the withholding that is of concern. No doubt The Church finds them equally repugnant, but I'm fortunately not under Its jurisdiction.

et in Arcadia egoboo: banana genesapostle_of_eris on May 5th, 2008 04:15 pm (UTC)
Despite being in the (I assume) unusual situation of having had two vasectomies, I never thought of it that way. (Besides the “real” one, thirty years ago, it turns out that part of a . . . is prostatectomy a real word? . . . is a vasectomy.)
You do get a point, though, for using the expression Biblically accurately.
Fred A Levy Haskell: Fredcritter eyes onlyfredcritter on May 6th, 2008 01:10 am (UTC)

I guess you can't get any more "real" than that…
Thanks for awarding the Biblical Accuracy point. ;)

Coyote's getting bolderruneshower on May 5th, 2008 06:19 pm (UTC)
Depends on whether the sin of Onan is "spilling seed on the ground" (which a vasectomy would forever make impossible), or "refusing to raise up seed for his brother", which after-V the man would perpetually be guilty of. Right?
Fred A Levy Haskell: Fredcritter eyes onlyfredcritter on May 6th, 2008 12:56 am (UTC)
Hah! Right! I guess I hadn't thought it through entirely. You win. [Guess what the prize is. (Not that I actually had a prize in mind originally, nor that this was a "competition," but, hey, under the circumstances…)]
(Anonymous) on May 7th, 2008 07:08 pm (UTC)
Amazing post.
thanks much, bro